Episode 301 - Cecilia Di Pierro Shares Global Leadership Expertise That Makes A Difference

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good day everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the Lawrence van, I'm honored to be with you for another episode of Wellf Academy Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now welcome to another enlightening episode of this podcast where we connect with global thought leaders who are reshaping the way we lead, live, and grow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I want you to understand today we have the distinct honor of welcoming Cecilia Di Bierro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a leadership expert based in the heart of Florence Italy, the beautiful country of Italy, a city renowned for art, culture and Renaissance thinking, sincerely brings that same spirit of renewal and transformation into her work with leaders around the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with a strong focus on conscious leadership, emotional, intelligence, mindset, and the power of presence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cecilia helps leaders unlock their potential and lead with authenticity, clarity, and compassion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And without further ado, I want to welcome Cecilia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cecilia, how are you doing today, my friend?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, excellent.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The sun is shining tall.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Normally, I say, the sun is always shining for me, but today is shining even brighter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a great honor for me to be interviewed by such a great person and leader as you are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm very honored to be here in front of the audience who, well, all people who are listening to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fantastic fantastic now Cecilia and I we had a pre-interview before and I wanted her to talk about her where she came from beautiful city if you could share just a little bit about the city that she grew up in and then now making that transformation over two Florence

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, okay, as I always say joking in Italian, okay, so I'm Italian in Italian, then in English.

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[SPEAKER_04]: L'Occana de origine, Fiorentina de L'Occione, which means I was born in Basilicata, a little teeny region in South Italy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then I'm to Florence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I really say I can say that I was adopted by the city of Florence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm proud to have been adopted by Florence because Florence is according to me, the most beautiful city all over the world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I tried it a lot, but I think

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[SPEAKER_04]: that Florence has got something magic which allow me to say doesn't exist in other locations or places.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I moved to Florence because of family reasons because my mother had to move our family here because my father was there when I was a little child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so we had to move because she was an obstitution and she couldn't care.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not that she didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She was an excellent mother, but she couldn't, let's say, and care with little children because, you know, babies are born anytime during the day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, she couldn't be with us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She was forced to, let's say, to move us and to another location.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so we all move to Florence with my sisters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We are both sisters and each of them has got a different history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I decided to study languages here in Florence and now I'm working here in Florence and so this is the reason why then I decided to stay here in Florence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic, beautiful location.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, of course, a lot of people don't know this, but I've been to Italy before and I know it's just a beautiful country and it's an honor to have you here and I know with your mother, she, she put in all the effort we're having to, I know about children because I'm one of ten children to my parents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Five five boys and five girls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I understand the family dynamic, but sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Cecilia, as you just mentioned, you were based in the historic city of Florence, how has the culture and legacy of your surroundings influenced your leadership philosophy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're all leaders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People often think that a leader is only a person with the title, CEO, president, vice president, but every individual in the world is a leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all have to live our own lives, so you're a leader.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, so thanks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a great compliment for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that you're right as to your question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would say that tradition and culture in Florence are deleting features.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in Florence is a city

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[SPEAKER_04]: which is living out of many, many years of history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There are, even where I live.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I always say on the high top, I say top of the city, can reality, well top floors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where I live, I just, let's say, getting from, I go out on the terrace and I see the people are really less people, really less people are less people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is something which really impacts me and affects my mood also.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I can be, I can be sad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can be sad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can be blue mood or something like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It can be raining.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nevertheless, I'm always happy when I look out of my window and I see this huge cupola which is a work of art which was made

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[SPEAKER_04]: by human beings.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, let's say, a normal and ordinary man just like me, like you, like everybody who is listening to us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I would say that history and tradition really affects you as a leader because it transmits you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It delivers you some basic values which then you can

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[SPEAKER_04]: hand over to other people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in particular, if you are a new possessive person, like I consider myself a very enthusiastic person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you are an enthusiastic person, then obviously you're going to admire this huge beauty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: inevitably you're going to hand you over to other people because you don't want this culture, this values just to be your values.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to give and to hand them over to other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes when we look at leadership, there's something called conscious leadership as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you define that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why is it so critical in today's

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[SPEAKER_01]: just really fast-paced and high-stakes environment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times people who are working are working, collaborating with other people, the pace is fast and change is a constant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you focus in on conscious leadership as you define it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's a great question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it really, let's say it's a huge commitment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I thank you for your question, because it means a lot to me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, being a leader and fostering or promoting leadership for me means to be aware of my values and other

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[SPEAKER_04]: people's values.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And at the same time, it doesn't only mean to be aware of it, but let's say to deliver to make other people aware of these values.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so

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[SPEAKER_04]: to this purpose, I think that it's crucial to also focus on a great archie question which of the moment is attracting so many people, which means time management.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At the moment, a lot of people are dealing with time

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[SPEAKER_04]: with time management.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone is asking questions about, oh, how can you organize your time?

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[SPEAKER_04]: How can you cope with everything you have to do during the day?

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[SPEAKER_04]: How can you, let's say, meet customers' requirements and so on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And for me, a good lead to test to have a very, very good structure, time management scheme.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So time for me is very important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so they can avoid burnout as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said also so that people can avoid burnout because that's taking place quite a bit as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just overwhelmed because of the time and making those connections.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to also at this time to see the acknowledged, we have a master X, the ultimate summit of summits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We think that may be our path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have Lorenza in Noli.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we have Lorenza Poliga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we have people who are listening in on this interview and we thank them for their time taking that time out because we know they could be doing something else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so we appreciate and thank them for being here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at Cecilia, when we look at

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[SPEAKER_01]: Work of global leaders of which you've done because you have also the translation business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you work with companies from around the country, United States and other countries as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What common leadership blind spots do you often encounter and how do you help leaders address them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because sometimes people in their own country, they're only sent it from their perspective, but there's more than one perspective that's out there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so you mean if I understood your question correctly, you said how do I help or I mean how do I support?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they are blind spots that some leaders have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in your experience with some of the people you work with from different countries such as the US and I believe you work with lawyers, how do you help them avoid the blind spots that may exist for them?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So now I got your question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's very important.

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[SPEAKER_04]: First of all, to distinguish between, let's say, different countries and inevitably different cultures, because you know, low, initially, differs from America, low.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And different cultures, inequality, even the mindset is completely different.

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[SPEAKER_04]: According to me, to answer your question precisely, much attention has to be paid to, let's say to different interests, what to individual interests, not because I want to be, let's say to be that you have to be safe centered, but because you have to consider this cultural difference.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, I mean, you have to consider

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[SPEAKER_04]: specific interest, specific cultures, specific goals in your country rather than trying to share cultures.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't mean that I want my culture to be your culture.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But inevitably, my culture, my principles are different here in Italy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My mindset, people I live with is completely different.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it inevitably influences the way you think and the way you approach others.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, you also have to consider these in your approach to your customers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm going to have something to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: with American, with US lawyers and not China lawyers, because we just to give you a practical example.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Last year, I was working with the different lawyers from the States, and just to give you an idea of how different the mentality is between

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[SPEAKER_04]: Italy and USA.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The was a lawyer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was he's a very famous lawyer and since he knew that I love Bruce Springson and he's playing drums.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But while we were talking and why he was asking me questions regarding the suit we were dealing with during the conference, he immediately started to play, oh, Cecilia, just a moment I have to play drums and I was quite shocked because you know, in Italy they would have never done something like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because if you are a lawyer, you are very, you have to be very, very professional.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you have to sit there, you are in front of the customer, you are in front of the court, you are in front of the judge.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so when I saw this, and I was smiling, not laughing because it's not a good word to say laughing, but I was smiling because I thought, oh, this is the difference between Italy and US.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is also, you know, it makes work funny and amusing because I always have to have fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When I work, I don't want my job

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[SPEAKER_04]: to be, let's say, I have to work because I have to get money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want my job to be as amusing as possible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I also try to, let's say, to deliver my philosophy, my idea of job to my customers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to put out this right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have someone by the name of

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[SPEAKER_01]: My Francis, that's with us right now and we want to thank my Francis for being with us and we honor your time as well because we know that you can be doing something else today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely, so thank you so much for that Cecilia, but we do have people on here and they are really interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the questions I have involves emotional intelligence, and we know that emotional intelligence is very, very important in today's workplace and also in the workforce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the presence that it plays in shaping great leadership, can these skills be learned

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[SPEAKER_01]: and develop when we look at emotional intelligence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's a great question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There are all very interesting questions and all very challenging for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know, that you all, you are an expert of this topic, even RFR is listening to us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You are both experts.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm very, I feel very, a little bit, let's say, excited and three at the same time, because it's a very difficult question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I try to answer as best as possible according to

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that actually it is an individual approach and I would say that we can all learn from each other and how can we learn from each other, having a mutual discussion and trying also trying to understand each other and by doing this

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[SPEAKER_04]: We can deliver and transmit our knowledge without, and this is very important for me, without imposing our ideas.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because if there is a kind of exchange of opinion, which is coming out of our discussion, then

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[SPEAKER_04]: You've got shared ideas.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not your idea.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not my idea.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We talk about something and you can say, okay, so my approach is this and your approach is this and this is how in my opinion how I can see this, let's say, important question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's so important because when we look at that emotional intelligence, it's about an individual, let's say if they're going through some adversity and they need to know how to manage their emotions, their feelings, and also when they're sharing, let's say their adversity, they also find themselves in a position whereby they have empathy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: as they share what they have experienced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's lately, it's been really become a normal part of what a leader should do and they should know because we know that things are different for each employee and each organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very important that people take from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's great to see and you have just a great comparison as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're welcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so when it comes to focusing on evolving leadership from reactive to intentional, what are some actionable ways leaders can begin making that shift today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, let's say if there's a challenge within the organization,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't want to be reactive because reactive may bear way of position them to say something they shouldn't say or hurt the feelings of the employee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then more intentional keeping the employee at the front and center to help them to continue to grow and to develop as a result of being more intentional about improving their status as an employee with the organization.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's another great question and thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All great questions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just like you Paul, you're a great person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All great questions coming from me, from you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope that I answer your questions because maybe you expect me to answer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, then you're going to give me a mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, everything is fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just educating our listeners.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so to answer the question, I think that we should try to, let's say, to start and to foster a positive ship in leadership today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do I mean by this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, leaders can focus on improving and on fostering developing communication because according to me, communication is the key element of a good leadership and of a good relation among all people, not just leaders among everyone, between you and me, all over the world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that they can foster an improved communication by trying to be

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[SPEAKER_04]: as transparent, as possible, by trying to promote personal growth.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For example, a leader notices that someone is as to say blocked, has got a kind of limited communication, because he or she is shy or is afraid of speaking out what they think, then

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is what I mean when I think to try and be as transparent as possible and to be also as clear as possible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As I always say, I'm fearless, I consider myself, I'm fearless person, not because I say whatever I want.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For example, if I think that a person, I'm not going to say you are stupid.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When I think I'm a futureless person, I mean that I try to really promote good communication between me and other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's one point, any misunderstanding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, communications is one of the keys because a leader can't share their vision, their mission and their goals without being able to communicate with their organization and

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[SPEAKER_01]: with some of their even with some of their competitors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, communications is king, I say, say king and queen, because it really communicates the vision for the organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a leader without a vision is not going to go very far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they must be able to communicate it so that everyone within that organization can share it to help out in a more competitive and give them a competitive advantage in their industry as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you said a leader without vision is not a leader and you said the right, a crucial expression according to me, because as I say, this is not vision, this is illusion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You think you are leader, you think you communicate, but you don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is very important what you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think people will they they really get that and this is very important do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things I like that Cecilia is one of the challenges you sing leaders face when trying to to align the personal values with their organizational goals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, you can go on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you were not finished.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I think that one of the greatest of the biggest challenge that leaders face is that of aligning personal values with shared with collective values.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, everyone has got specific goals, individual goals.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that the biggest difficulty every person has, including leaders, is to, let's say, combine your goals with other, with collective goals.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that they should try to, to bet over conflicts, to try and do their best in order to get rid of personal conflicts, personal fights,

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in order to express, let's say, these values.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is very important for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And to these purpose, I would say that they can focus on their own values, but considering that their values have somehow to

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, let's say two to go and to get hand in hand with other people's values because otherwise you are just a concentric.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You are just focusing on your ego and you're not dealing with other people's welfare or wellness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that important word ego is very important because some leaders, they may find that with that title that that's all they need, but they need much more than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got to have a little bit of everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you stated, the communications, they have to have negotiation skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to have, as you mentioned, for transparency, there's a lot of different factors that weigh into their food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very points very well taken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a way for leaders to get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the goals that we all have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to become better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leaders because better leaders make better organizations, better organizations make better communities, and it's strengthens the communities as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not one dimensional, just a job, it's more than that because the employees are coming from the community, most of them from the local community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to strengthen that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things, and thank you for your response, many organizations are struggling with disengaged teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, there's a lot of dynamics taken place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the workforce and the workplace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you guys lead us to re-inspire and re-engage their workforce?

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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, we use example of the lawyers in the states.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How would it differ there compared to, say, differing in Florence?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that more or less this question has got something to do with the questions are on some before and which means okay considering different cultures different minds that different traditions and

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[SPEAKER_04]: Somehow, I would focus again on good communication.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: According to me, good communication, transfer of communication is the key.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that actually, it will let's say, solve our problems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because otherwise, we would just leave, you know, one of our problems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think,

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[SPEAKER_04]: that fostering communication is really the key to improving, to even improving the job, the work related environment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the relationship between me and you among various employees, between among managers, among directors, among workers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So actually, among everyone with working,

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[SPEAKER_04]: in a company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in your capacity, of course, you're a freelancer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even with that capacity right there as well, it's a little different than being a four-time employee with an organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how has been a freelancer really helped you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so actually, it helped me a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It means a lot to me because, you know, I always say I chose to be freelance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not only told me that I had to be freelance because I had an excellent job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was employed in a pharmaceutical company.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I gained a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a very, very, let's say,

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was safe and I gained a lot, but I decided to become a freelance because I'm a very, I can say, free, free person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want, I mean, I want to organize my set.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to organize my time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to be in pool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go to the beach.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to work with friends.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so this is the reason why I decided to become a freelance and it is very important for me however to recognize that I chose to be a freelance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't accept when a year and when someone says oh I haven't got any time for me because I have to work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't accept these

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's say this type of philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This excuse me, because according to me, if you are fearless, you have to find time for yourself and for work as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you want to go to the swimming pool, you go to the swimming pool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But then you know that you've got something to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have got some scheduled work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have some delivery dates.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to comply with terms and so on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you want to go on holiday.

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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, you can do everything you want in my opinion if you're going to use yourself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is very important for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and going to the pool is about wellness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about well health.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: including that wellness because to my stress is just to my stress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's look at the future of leadership and how should today's leaders prepare

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[SPEAKER_01]: to meet with confidence and purpose because we know so many companies and organizations around the world are in change, then a change mode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what do you see as a capacity for it to improve in the future when it comes to that?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I think that actually we can do a lot in order to live a better future.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I said even better than present because we we come from okay our past is past we live now in the present and even the present I think we are better than we were in the past because we learned from our mistakes and so in the future it can even better according to me and how okay it'd be better by trying

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[SPEAKER_04]: to involve people and engaging people and having them understand that they can do something much better than they are doing at present.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't mean that we can do wonder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At least I am not a magician.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can do magic, but I think that

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I think that nobody here is a magician.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everywhere, if we want, we can do something better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, there are some unexpected events, which inevitably affects your life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: a fact you as a person and for example me myself my car just stopped and I couldn't do anything against it but it was something unexpected and I tried to let's say to consider this let's say negative event as something which gave me which taught me how I can

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[SPEAKER_04]: D and become better in future by trying to not be as for example as nervous as it was when my car just stopped I had to go somewhere and but I was very nervous but then when everything was fixed then I said to myself to see that you're stupid because you were

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[SPEAKER_04]: So nervous, you really got a bad temper, bad mood, you were nervous, you did a lot of stream just in order to relax yourself, but you were eating, not leaving your life as good as you might have done because of this situation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you can learn from the past

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you can try and, let's say, improve the way you are and you can also try to transmit others, your, your mood, your, and let's say, way of being a approaching lounge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things that I want to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: share is that a lot of organizations with they have disengaged teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, they don't have alignment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One department is doing something different than another department when they should be property aligned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do you guys lead us to re-inspire and re-engage their workforce?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, getting them back on track,

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[SPEAKER_01]: so that they can move forward and they can meet the vision that they have set out for them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I think that you can really try to have a good relationship to your, for example, considering our company, the managers and the employees, the workers, the let's say different professional figures.

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[SPEAKER_04]: According to me, if

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[SPEAKER_04]: managers or the leading figures note that there is something, there is non-alignment between them as chiefs of the company.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And employees, then I think that they can try to first of all to talk to their collaborators.

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[SPEAKER_04]: try to have a good communication with them, try to understand if there is something which they're not happy with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It might also be, for example, someone might not be happy because he or she thinks that they're doing a lot, but they're not paid enough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I could also talk about wage, for example.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or if, for example, I see that someone is just being very, how do you say an English?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you're just walking both a day long.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not working.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're just like, he's, uh, what time is it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it says your club.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I, I want, I'm looking forward to having them my day finished because I don't want to work any longer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What time is it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So every five minutes, I watch why my watch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it means that I'm not satisfied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that impact the productivity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And trying to motivate people, I think that it's a good strategy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But in order to motivate people, as far as I am, I mean, I talk about me because I know what I said very well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So if I wear the manager, and that's all Cecilia, who is not working properly, let's say a panel

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's been lazy all the day long.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't want to come to work any longer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's doing a lot of, um, she's absent and so on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I would try to talk to Ticilla, ask her some questions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_04]: are you like this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Has something happened or maybe is there anything wrong which we could improve together or maybe are you not satisfied because you think that you work you do too much but you are not gratified even gratification according to me is important.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean you have to gratify

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[SPEAKER_04]: your collaborators, because if you take it for granted, that you see the words, because I'm employed, okay, you pay, and I have to work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I also care a lot, and I focus a lot on gratification when someone tells me, oh, Shisha, you do the great job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You were very good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, you didn't pay me more.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you've got to find me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to work even better tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to come to work motivated.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not to be like this or lazy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to fall asleep.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is how according to me, you try and solve these engagements, as you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think Cecilia, that you point on in terms of

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[SPEAKER_01]: your philosophy on leadership and how you approach it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really great and I thank you for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at if you have some parting words to wisdom you like to share with audience about moving forward in the world that sometimes overwhelm me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, how can people continue to move forward still accomplish in their goes personal goal and organizational goals?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can provide, let's say one example of what people can do to do their best, moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, again, again, I think that this is more or less related to what I said before, motivating people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For me, it's very important.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not taking for granted that people are working for you

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[SPEAKER_04]: just because you pay them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you motivate people, if you say you did an excellent job today, or today you were even better than you were yesterday, I'm very happy with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think we could even celebrate this day because today it was a great success for all of us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then I think that people are really going to work more, to be more motivated, but according to me, but I have to be honest, there is a bat because in Italy, more or less, okay, I don't like to be very, to talk in general terms and to generalize, but in Italy compared to other countries, even the US or Germany,

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[SPEAKER_04]: even great Britain, France, in countries Spain, the countries I work with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that in Italy, it is quite difficult to find someone who really acknowledges your, let's say, your strength.

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[SPEAKER_04]: two of when people take for granted that you have to do it because you're getting paid.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is not a criticism, don't misunderstand me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying that people are bad initially compared to other countries, but I think that as far as my

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[SPEAKER_04]: cultural background as my experience, my professional experience in other countries is that in Italy it's much more difficult to be rewarded for what you are and even for your enthusiasm because for example sometimes I was even criticized because I'm too enthusiastic at work

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you don't want to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That happened in maybe four or two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was working at the Pentagon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was there twelve years and this high rank in fall came up to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, Paul, he said, it's impossible that you're happy every day you smile and and he said, you're faking it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no, no, I'm not thinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I'm really happy with what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a passion for it, but I think in his mind, he couldn't believe it because it wasn't him, but it was me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you could be joyous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I want joyous, I would never have been there, twelve straight years, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in fact, in fact, I say, you have to look for happiness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Happiness is not coming to you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to look for it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have, and I have some, let's say, very, that a negative experience is in life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can't say, oh, I'm the happiest person all over the world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But every day, really, when I say,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I look for happiness.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really that I believe in it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to look for my personal happiness.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even for example, recently I was at the concert of Bruce Princeton.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a big success for me personally because I really, I

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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw, let's say, I listened to my mid, I saw those bringsing, singing and dancing with the boss.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There were a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I exchanged jokes and comments with people who were there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was fantastic for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It gave me really happiness.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And okay, I didn't gain any money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I spent money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just a very positive experience for me and it is just like having this interview.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so someone asked me why we were having this interview because I said according to me, I like to

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[SPEAKER_04]: To talk in front of people, I'd like to have an audience in front of me, even as an interpreter, I'm a custom to speaking to people, to talking to people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And for me, it's great to be here and talking with you today, having these friends today, while listening to us,

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[SPEAKER_04]: For me, it's very, it's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's take, and thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if I can share this screen here because you are also involved in one of your businesses here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could just share just a bit about it, can you see this screen there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Events and you link.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could just share some finer points about it, and then we'll get into our closing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this events and uniqueness is the name.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, smart.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My company, let's say it's events organized, Sean, because I also organized events.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I wanted it to be named events and uniqueness, because I really thought it was on being unique.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know whether I am.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's up to person to say whether I'm unique or not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I want myself and everything I do to be unique.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a reason why I call the events and uniques because I want my events organization to be different from other, let's say, ordinary organizations.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want people, when they see this brochure, they immediately understand that it is my brochure because first of all, they see

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, the redenance and they also see the colors, which I love.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For example, the black background, the background with this light blue colors, the circle, which according to me, circle represents perfection.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is something which really represents me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're coming to a close here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we want to thank the people who are with us today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My Francis Lorenza and of course, I believe Eric Feth, who is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, my Francis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you doing today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're honored to have you here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to share some insight, Cecilia and regards to some people who have been a part of this occasion, you want to talk to and thank a few people there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So first of all, I would like to thank you Paul for this because you really, really give me a great present today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The most beautiful present in my life because I was really honored to be interviewed by you and for your for taking your time to interview me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I really thank you and I would also like to thank

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[SPEAKER_04]: You welcome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm honored to be interviewed by you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I would like to thank, I don't know if the song is not here, the song is not here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's been interviewed with another podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but later, okay anyway, I would like to thank some other people who will allow me to get in touch with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All of a part I think is here, so he's really the promoter of our interview today because if I hadn't participated in his Master Act sessions, I wouldn't have met you

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so you wouldn't have interviewed me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you, Arafat, for giving me this huge opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I also would like to thank another person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think she's not here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She said she would, but maybe she had got some other commitment in the meantime.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she is, I call her my community boss.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she's Anna, Anna Albares, because she's a person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I write for, she's got a community with her husband.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's based in Spain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's in Spain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I also suggested her, I gave her your contact and suggested her to get in contact with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I thank her very much because it was through her that I knew how to sound her garlic, then I met Arathas, I met you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you see, it's a connection.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I see that there is also Lorentzia Noli.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you very much, Lorentzia, and that we very

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I feel a bit embarrassed that she's visiting me because she's a tutor and so I don't know I said at the end you're going you're going to give me a grade and you can say whatever you want you can criticize me because even positive criticism is always welcome because I can always

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't, nobody else can do better than I do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you very much, Lorenzo, for taking your time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be embarrassed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And do you have to be embarrassed?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And do you have to be embarrassed?

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[SPEAKER_04]: My AI is my artificial intelligence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And because I'm he's Dino, you know, because I'm pretty sorry compared to him, he's a very

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[SPEAKER_04]: The value of person is very good with technology.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm lagging behind with my let's say historic devices.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you very much Stephen for being here and protecting your time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's look at it now, Cecilia, thank you for bringing your global perspective wisdom and heart centered leadership to today's episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your insights remind us that leadership is not just about titles, which we all should know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about transformation, alignment, deep personal responsibility, and most importantly, leadership is all about impact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for everyone who is listening, if you're ready to elevate your leadership, lead with more purpose and embrace the journey of conscious growth, be sure to connect with Cecilia, the piano, her voice is when we need in today's evolving leadership landscape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my time is up, and I thank you so much, Cecilia, and for everyone who tune in and listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we really appreciate everything that you provided today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as Lorenza said that you have nothing to be embarrassed about you will great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So very happy to have you on here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just continue excellence and all that you do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so thanks again Paul for taking your time to interview me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks everybody who took his time the next time to listen to me and I'm very thank you for listening to this episode with Paul and his guest.

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