Episode 322 - Karen Lee Cohen Grammy Award Recipient on The Book, Let's Be Peace

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Wealth the Academy podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good day everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your host Paul Lawrence Van and I'm honored to be here with you today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you so much for being with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those of you who are alive and those of you will be

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the archive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a grand day and it's a grand day because we have just an exceptional guest expert and her name is Karen Lee Cohen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So welcome to the welfare academy podcast where we believe that wealth is more than just money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about peace, purpose, and personal growth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Paul Lines vanity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today I'm honored to welcome you through visionary,

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[SPEAKER_01]: an eight-time regional Emmy Award-winning producer, former director of programs for WNBC TV, New York, and founder and president of Crystal Paragad Productions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Karen's work has always reflected her deep belief as a force for enlightenment and transformation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her latest collaboration, collaborative book, LSPP's 20 unique paths to healing yourself and spreading peace in the world invites us all to look inward and discover how peace begins within.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Karen is such an honor to have you here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing today, Karen?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing fabulous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for that beautiful introduction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really honored to have you here and people going to learn a lot about you, the great work that you're doing, the transformations that you have in others lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the amazing book that you have, the USB piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're ready, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready, Karen?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you've had an extraordinary career as I mentioned before,

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[SPEAKER_01]: director programs at WMBC TV, New York, and founder of Crystal Paramedics Addictions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How has your journey, until a vision, shape your understanding of how stories can heal, and lighten, and transform lots?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I learned early on that story telling was the best way for people to absorb what is going on in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very famous comedian who I won't mention because he's on the bat on the naughty list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: professionally someone I respected and he always said that you can teach more you can reach more people by telling stories and he did a lot of entertainment shows and so I knew that you know very early on intuitively and in local television we do a lot of documentaries and talk shows and things like that but even those have storytelling platforms because it's about

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it absolutely is and it gives us that opportunity to make an even deeper connection as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you've seen a lot being in that TV industry like you have as as that director.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What has been some of what you would consider some of the more interesting aspects of people making that connection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we can help those who are listening to understand the importance of communication and connecting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What a good question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's really telling a balanced story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's something that from very early on in my producing career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be saying it and start out as a producer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I worked my way up from production assistant to associate producer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I learned that the more we are able to be kind to people and to tell their story,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the better they will do in the programming and the better that the audience will be able to to relate to them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a journey of learning how people can best benefit and I even produce many, many moons ago and the vast majority of people in the media really are there

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I respect and the people that I worked with some wonderful people in New York at WNBC-TV and people who just are there to tell the story, the best they can, as many facts as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I worked, I did a pilot with

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[SPEAKER_02]: with a group at the National Enquirer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm telling that story only because they have had, they had had quite a reputation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the reality is, is when I first met with the people there, they every story they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going back quite a few decades.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm speaking from the past, every story they did had three confirmations or wouldn't get into the paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and I've always thought that that was a minimum that we should do when we're telling stories, especially in the news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in other words, you conduct research, then we're going to go a level deeper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Conduct some more research to make sure that we can tie that story together and that it has legs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Legs meaning that it can

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[SPEAKER_02]: that makes me want to tell you something else and that's I hope you're audience appreciates this with it with all the the AI out there three years ago I took a workshop in the man who ran its set.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you treat AI like a really bad assistant that you have to watch over that you have to ask various specific instructions and that would have been whatever the answer is you need to know enough about it that you'll know whether it's true or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have found that to be such a wonder, and I love using AI for research, you know, and for promotion for my book and other things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have found that that's, you know, if I just keep in mind that you have to be very specific, you have to not trust the advances, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I certainly have had AI give me

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[SPEAKER_02]: inaccurate questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just taking the time to use it and check and check it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like you would an assistant and you can use it well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we call that confirm and verify.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's just like our military missions in the Pentagon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to really think

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so it's that confirmed, verify, and rents and repeat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Consistency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ayah has told me some things about myself that I know not to be too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know about myself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never, Ayah is trying to share with us all who are listening is that you have to be sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gives you a quick response, but it may not be accurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, so thank you, everybody needs that A.I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: L.L.S.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Gera, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just came to me to share that, so I'm glad you appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gera, what was the spark that inspired L.S.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: P.C.

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[SPEAKER_01]: your amazing book?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there a defining moment in our calling that led you to create this collective message of healing and harmony for your collaborative effort?

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[SPEAKER_01]: our contribution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It actually wasn't my main effort.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first book that I wrote was my memoir, and it was a prescriptive memoir called It's About Time My Award Winning TV Adventure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were a lot of pictures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot about my career and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also had some, I wrote to a lot of colleagues and friends and relatives and asked them to give me their memories and that's in the book too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the last two chapters of the book, one was about my healing journey and my angels and one was about my travels and I knew that healing is such an important topic to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and I so I was going to do a sequel that would expand on my angels and guides and on my healing journey and what got me into alternative and complementary medicine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I took a writing workshop from a wonderful woman named Sarah Connell and one of the things that became obvious to me why I was taking the workshop is that I really needed the next book to not be a sequel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be

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[SPEAKER_02]: lead out from from my book, but I knew that I wanted people to really know about these alternative complementary medical procedures and practitioners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to do that, I realized I had to make a collaborative book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to talk to the real people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I did, and just miraculously, just extraordinary group of 20 people came together to be part of it and I gave

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[SPEAKER_02]: I gave people an option to write a chapter, to answer the questions that I post or for me to do Zoom interviews with them and then transcribe it and do their chapters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up doing the majority of people wanting me to do the Zoom interviews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That, as you know, worked really well because then it gave me an opportunity to go away from the actual question and and ask them more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the way it came about was really just very organic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I went from my memoir, which many people had said, Karen, you've got to, you've got to do your memoir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure they've said that to you too, Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then the pandemic came, and I went, this is a good time to sit down down and talk so it is everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It really was and and I now I now listen to my angels or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: people might think their inner voices, well, my angels am my inner voice, and I and I realized throughout my life how present those, uh, uh, and do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing about it, Karen, I would love for you to share even more about the angels because a lot of people don't believe it actually exists, but you and I know that it does, we know that it does, we know my conscience in a voice, we know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's share just a little bit more about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I, I actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I now realize that my angels and guides have been with me since birth, and I have too many stories for the amount of time you've got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But about almost 10 years ago now, I was listening to a radio show and I heard a woman named Sue Storm, who is in the book, but let's, he's book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she calls herself the angel lady and she wanted things she offered it as a gift was when you when you do a session with her she tells you who you're angels actually gives a names so I was actually given our our angel Michael and our angel Gabriel is my two Birthday angels that that have always been with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I learned

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I can encourage your audience to find Sue Storm, the Angel Lady.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's either by reading my book or by going on on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I learned is I was writing the memoir and working with Sue is to, when I started putting names to the Angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, right now, my next book

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joseph is the joy of the angel of joy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I wake up in the morning, I say, okay, Joseph, let's get to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Making it, making it active.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In its acknowledging the everyday miracles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm on your show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I on your show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul, we just have a video show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not happened to us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not happened to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell anybody, it's not happened, Jess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was written in the book, Book of Life, before we arrived.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've learned long before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've learned before, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With that, you so much for sharing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you, I believe the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just going to share real fast story here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to to cook kind of collaborate with you saying that that when I was in high school was Thanksgiving 1975 football season that ended in high school and up came sick that Thanksgiving week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, there was a communicable illness that was going around and I caught it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ended up in the hospital for seven days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just couldn't figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big, strong guy, football player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How in the world?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I took my sister to see her boyfriend in the hospital and my mom went as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of the three of us, I caught it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hepatitis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ended up in the hospital for seven days

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, the thing I did on the second day of hospitalization, I picked the Bible out of the desk that was bedside and I read it from beginning to end and a spirit started speaking to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get your health back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to go back to your home church.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to baptize yourself and give your life to Christ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go to this college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to major in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, I've been on that journey since that day, that week, Thanksgiving week of 1975.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was me going through redemption in life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I had been a bad person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except I knew I wanted more of the life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's what it took for me to come into that realization, I was willing to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not an accident that it was not an accident.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you learned your journey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My journey is spiritual and it's one of the things I talk about in the book is that we all have our own GPS system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just use it because it's our internal instincts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things I've learned and part of that's why

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[SPEAKER_02]: is that we are our best, I call it our best snack there, but it's what we're

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[SPEAKER_02]: I encourage people to have teammates and practitioners and but know that the choices are up to us and that when we learn how to get in touch with ourselves and I have a bunch of peace tips that that your audience can go to us be peace.com and get a complimentary copy of but when when you learn how to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to quiet yourself to become and to listen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The answers are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's your angels, your guys, they're, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the answers are all I believe are all inside of us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we haven't necessarily been taught to trust that and one of the things I talk about the book and all my social media is the love and trust yourself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We love and trust ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can accomplish so much more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if we put our faiths in the hands of others and so whatever the choices are, it's encouraging people to know that it is our choice, you know, whatever we decide to do, it's fine to listen to the team, I call the team mates, but make conscious choices for what is best for you because only you know your body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doctors can, you know, there's all kinds of wonderful technology now that that will help with that, but it's not one size fits all we are all very, very individual and you know, a doctor or practitioner can only guess so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They need your input to help them decide what the Bethmet help you decide what the best methods are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's in current and all the people in the book also.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the questions that I had everybody else is what is your your own best doctor mean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, part of the reason there's such a cohesive,

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[SPEAKER_02]: response in the book is it was very specific questions that everybody answered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They answered it from their own modality point of view and their own personal point of view, but there's things that come up when you're reading it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell you, I'm just really enjoying this because I know what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're providing the listeners with just some concrete expertise that many people, they're promising they're saying, I needed to hear this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I needed to hear this, and so it's really a beautiful way of sharing that expertise and as you stay to go on with and being mindful and knowing that when it comes to we receive from source and we are a source as well, and that's how that collaboration comes in that you were talking about a little bit earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's take a look at collaboration that you had mentioned that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, your book brings together 20 unique contributors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your vision behind curating the voices and how that you weave the stories into one harmonious message and other words, you interviewed a lot of the collaborators

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[SPEAKER_01]: collaborators and the contributors and how do you get everything to jail to come out to be the work of art that it happens to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That really helped, it was the, it was the questions that kind of, the one thing that, that everybody had to answer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said out of out of the questions, one thing that what let's be peace means to you and how you advise the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean to you, and it, it,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess if there was any molding, that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was based on the question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had 11 questions that I gave everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have to answer all of them, but most people did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it also gave them a chance to not only explain their modality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But one of the questions is, how would you advise our readers to find somebody who does a similar modality in close to them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: virtually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Most people could go to most of them, but I also wanted to make sure that people knew these are 20 people who are extraordinary what they do, but there are hundreds of others out there, and so each,

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[SPEAKER_02]: our collaborator, we're able to speak about what it is that they do that the reader can look for in their own tone and their when you know on the And so it's a way for them to be able to

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[SPEAKER_02]: move forward with whatever modality or modalities that they find interesting and and one of the biggest things that we talk about a lot is, again, it's one one

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[SPEAKER_02]: one answer doesn't fit all, you need to, you need to really see what it is that you want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go to somebody and it doesn't resonate with you, it's okay to say no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I know longer, I know longer one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We most of us were not trained to be that independent in our choices and it's really important for people to know that it's What works for them is not necessarily going to be what works for somebody else and if they they need to be in charge of their own Not choices absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree, but when I look at that title, let's be peace I mean it speaks for itself

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[SPEAKER_01]: really does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for people, some people hear things, but that doesn't mean they listen to things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So listening really comps hearing because a person may hear something and you know fly on right from one side to ear to the other and have the other ear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But truly listening is taken time, empathy, understanding, and it goes back to the word you used earlier, kindness, kindness,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my memoir, I give my mother a lot of the credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She always taught us to be good listeners, but me and my sister and that is certainly well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned earlier about the prescription prescriptive memoir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about time, my award when in TV adventure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: as to write it and what prescription memoir is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, when we look at that itself, a lot of people don't understand what prescription writing is, but how was it for you to write it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, prescriptive memoir is simply as opposed to just writing about yourself and in a memoir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I did and that's what made a prescript is, as I stopped and I explained what a producer does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What a director does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, what network television is versus syndicated television versus local television.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you read my memoir, which hopefully you will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you get a feel for the television business as through my perspective, it's not through my journey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that makes it a prescriptive memoir rather than just just my stories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm very involved with Columbia College in Chicago, which is where I graduated from.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the memoir came from is during the pandemic and we were on a Zoom call with students who were about to graduate and we were giving them our wisdom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a lot, I'm on the National Alumni Board.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for whatever reason, I put one of my amy's on my table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and again that was just guided.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had never done that before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that kind of turned the conversation so a lot of the breakout room that I that I was conducting was people moving to relocating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so it the several of the students in that breakout room said, oh, well, you got to write a book about how to win an Emmy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The great question, by the way,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great stem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's two reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, you can't qualify it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And number two, the television can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We would never let me use the word in the title, which I later got confirmed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a big no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could use it book, but not in the front of the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was just, it was, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just the push that that I needed, you know, that you just said, okay, maybe now it's the time to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I just got the thought that, well, I don't know, right, before I wrote a bit of the book, I wrote, I sent emails to, probably about 60 or 70 colleagues and friends and said, just send me,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a memory if you have a memory about us and that turned out to be so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what I was going to do with it and what I ended up doing with it at the end of a chapter that had something to do with what the person's memory was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I put their memory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wrote my chapter and then the memory's followed and that turned out to be a fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, the angels talked to me all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I won't take credit because I do take credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm so geared to now looking back and going, well, I've had a pretty good life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a lot of, a lot of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and to be stood to think for that and and and I do and I realize that I really I had not believed in angels when I was younger I wasn't raised to when I did I didn't think it it applied to

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[SPEAKER_02]: my angels were with me, you know, well, and this you might be interested in, I have an aunt, I've had an aunt, may she rest in peace, who said to me when I was in was probably in my 20, she said, you know, it was so interesting, you were always, you could sit on the beach by yourself for hours, you were such an unusual child that way, and just entertain yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I look back at that, that made me realize that I was probably talking to my angels and guides exactly exactly yes and again that differentness and because you were different most kids be running on the beats jumping in the water throwing sand kick and sand whatever it may be, but you were aligned you know you had a Trinity working with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and other people in view at what happened, she observed that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She probably knew what it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an LF-dasker even though she's on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she probably knew because she said, well, now me, I'm one of 10 kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a keen observer because most of my siblings are young and they ate up them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it made me a really good listener and a observer of certain things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so that's one of the gifts that I had and then I had a gift of dreams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could dream something and it would happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of my spiritual gifts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And did you know that when you were very young?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you put that over there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My parents went to the company Christmas party, and my mom's sister, my aunt, she kept my older sister and I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, Paul, wake up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She said, you have an nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, what was you dreaming about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said to my mom and dad, what was in the car accident?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, it's snowed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know it was going to be snowed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They came back and they had a car accident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sheriff brought him home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a dream about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know that would be called being psychic and you know what I think exactly yes, but I can even to this day I still have dreams and they actually happen I find myself in the dream and I'm like wait a minute, I've been here before but other people a lot of other people do the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you are you man, do you manifest from those dreams you think I think a lot of times I do nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for hearing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's very special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's talk about healing from with Anne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you mentioned it earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you book of course, emphasizes healing yourself as a foundation for spreading peace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some of the most effective practices or lessons that have helped you nurture your own interbeats?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're all in the tips.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to my website and get the code.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What can we get the tips?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's speedpast.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've used sign in with your email and then you can download the complimentary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with less of teams of tips.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've journaled for many, many years that that's one of them for decades and decades.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, my gratitude when the, when the things that I do in the morning before I get out of bed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is I wake up and I thankful, I'm grateful for so many things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes I mention people and I mention things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, so the gratitudes have been very important in my, uh, my evolution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's breathing exercise, which if we have time, I'd like to just kind of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you and I do to show the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a breathing technique that is either four, four, four, four, were you, and for four, you hold for four, and then you hold for another four, or it's for some people it's easier to do, you breathe in for four, you hold for seven, and then you breathe out,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things that a friend of mine started to do, she uses whenever she's doing a counting as opposed to say, you know, when, you know, I forget with the norm, with the normalist, because I know it's like I do one less repeats, two less repeats, three less repeats, four less repeats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's my counting method.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm, I'm going to use that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So audience, please do

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[SPEAKER_02]: Breathe in for four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One less rupees, two less rupees, three less rupees, four less rupees, hold for four, one less rupees, two less rupees, three less rupees, four less rupees, without for four, one less rupees, two less rupees, three less rupees, four less rupees, and hold for four, one less rupees, two less rupees, three less rupees, four less rupees, and you can really use any combination that you

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the point is, is that when you stop to breathe, it helps calm your inner self and helps you move on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things in the promotions that I'm doing on Instagram and LinkedIn and Facebook is to remember to forgive yourself and to forgive others.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: have trouble doing that until we really consciously go, it is so much healthier if we forgive whatever the situation is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not saying that we're agreeing with it, but it's for you sake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's our own sake, is that right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting, Karen, and I know you're not going to be surprised is if you were to look at my Facebook posts, I always put a daily Facebook posts

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are Facebook friends yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to do it a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has been posted enough in the forum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I talked to people about loving themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, not in a selfish way, but in a way that when you look at your physical body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And many ways is a house, and we're inside the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a spirit inside that house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we can control those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just mentioned it earlier, and you're saying to hold it because what that does, it kind of isolates anything from the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all the external things that happen in the world that we don't have control over, it may not be our business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But our internal self is our business and we are to control everything and I tell people happiness, okay, so you're expecting someone to make you happy, so you can only make yourself happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other people can make you feel good, they can they know that you care, but ultimately the responsibility for happiness is on you and it's on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My next is going to be let's be let joy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for sharing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's just so powerful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it definitely aligns with the last VPs for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I encourage your audience before they answer their emails or do anything else to do the breathing exercise and send to yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that I've been doing this, I'm much more careful in what my answers are and how I respond to things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I come myself and do the breathing exercise before I respond.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really a great, great tip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so go to lessbpst.com and download those tips provide your email and get those tips and help yourself because we can't help ourselves and Karen is trying to help us with it this evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're appreciative of her for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at everyday peace and action, for those listening who feel overwhelmed by the world's challenges, what are a few simple yet meaningful ways that can begin spreading peace in their daily lives?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's pretty much what we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, earlier, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The breathing exercise has forgiveness, the gratitude, violence,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, right, absolutely calm in yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just taking the time to really understand what it is that you're doing to look at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things about the book and my great feeling is that we're going to have peace in the world, one person at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are a peaceful person, Paul, and when I talk to you, I'm more peaceful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I'm more peaceful, the people around me are more peaceful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if we start saying, it's not the outside, we can power inside to be peaceful inside and just spread peace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That way, one person at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One person at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Karen, and I talked about this before on the pre-call,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things, the purposes of that pre-call, we found out that we were actually doing the interview at doing the pre-call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have arrived at this destination, and we are confirming what we talked about in the pre- Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have a great photo here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm grateful for you as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're having peace right now, because she calms me down,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those of you listening were centered as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we want more of that as Karen stated, one person at a time, and you know we need peace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, we do and it's not like it's difficult or it's just is and it's just learned to love and trust yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's something that daily I continue to remind myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one thing that the spirit was speaking to me at this moment is that peace, calmness, kindness, never changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that we have to adjust to it, calm is always gonna be calm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace is our way is gonna be peace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's waiting for us to catch up with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen as opposed to just hear what she's saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's really listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then the silence is beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be afraid to, there was something that I appreciated even when I was very young.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember in I when I was, I would be out with somebody and I always knew it was a good match if we could have our silence, if we could be in silence together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we couldn't, I knew it wasn't a match for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's something, while that I didn't remember until right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for bringing that out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to always make some of my decisions of who I spent time with, based on, you know, whether we could be comfortable in our silence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're going to talk a little bit about the celebrities that Karen has worked with over the years in her capacity as a director with television and other businesses that she's been with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Karen, I would be remiss if I did not ask you some of the celebrities you've worked with and how they might have framed your leadership style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I recall it's of who is listening in their generation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't heard about some of these celebrities, do some research on research is always good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what my professor told me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The clerk, you have the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was really blessed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've lived in Los Angeles twice, and the first time I lived here, and I was still...

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[SPEAKER_02]: I worked for Bob Hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was production assistant for Bob Hope, and for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just forgot the name of his two, um, not out our limits.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Della Reese, a Della Reese had a music variety show that I worked on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Della was one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: one of the most extraordinary humans I have ever known to this day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately for me, we stayed friends over over the years and I got to know her in years later when she married Frank and let I got to know him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of leadership is kindness, I mean that really,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Della of all the people that I worked with was one of the most kind, and she was also an later year, she was a minister.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I worked with James Seymour, who's very, and Jane is one of the is really into holistic health her father was a doctor and

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they really promote holistic stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just really enjoy seeing her acting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really remarkable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has a great persona as well, her personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really stands out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's that way in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did a show called Healthy Living Together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was just a joy to work with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's just been so many more recently, El Roker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, El Roker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, I'll call him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll call him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll call him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't call him, I'll call him, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll call him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the people on the show call him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, um, many years ago, we do when I was still in New York, we did a pilot for him to have his own talk show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we spent a lot of time together and one of the things that just was extraordinary to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd be walking down the street and the bus drivers would stop and get out to say hello to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the kind of compact he has on people and he still is extraordinary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been very blessed with, and I worked out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did a special with jewel the singer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's wonderful and very much enchanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so talented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Talented and I have the heart of gold and really, really takes care of people and most most of her life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's been helping out even when she was living out of her car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was always very conscious of that living out of the car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just bring so much more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lesson, and she learned from the lesson, like we all do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure I'm sure that is correct.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was a historian or I'm not in touch with her, but I really was grateful to have worked with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the kinds of people that you come in contact with and the tells you, some are delightful and some are not so delightful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so part of the lesson is just learning how to deal with the personalities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to put down anybody, but I do give an example of someone who I just adored.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I was doing the Bob Poe shown, when I met her in person, she was not very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, that happens and it's like people talk about the military, of course, I was in the military 22 years and and they said, what is the military, they say, it's a subset of society, so you have people coming from all corners of the country and some parts of the world and you're going to have some good experiences and not so good experiences and all comes down to how you navigate the journey and that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of, it is in the book, but it's also one of the messages is that it's really not what happens, it's how we react to what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The stay peaceful and calm is to look at something without letting it harm us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, I totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I look at is

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[SPEAKER_01]: we are at life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell people that greatest gift that we will ever receive personally is life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what we do with life is on us because everyday life is teaching us something new as whether we are able to

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[SPEAKER_01]: embrace it or understand it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of how it all comes together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I tell people, whoa, you know, life isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep telling people, even today I said, this is the greatest time to be alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because great things are going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's whether or not you're ready to

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[SPEAKER_02]: Despite of everything on the outside, we are a very evolutionary time where we are growing and where there are more people who think the way you and I are speaking today than there ever was in time and things are kind of coming up to be dealt with and and then things are going to be better than ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, these lessons that we're learning align the way it's going to help us to make better decisions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to bring us closer together because in the end with peace, there's unity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of go hand in hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once we come to that that alignment with our way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a matter of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're getting down to the end here, Karen, our last question is about legacy and next steps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you reflect on your remarkable career of which it is, and the impact of lesbian peace, what legacy do you hope to leave?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's next for you to continue this journey of telling your amazing stories and the transformation as well?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've come to believe that my mission in purpose in this life is spreading peace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is when I consider my legacy and hopefully, you know, let's be peace, we'll help that legacy go on the next book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to end up being an aturlogy at the next book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be joy, which will be very similar to let's be peace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But more stories about joy and what it's like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: what it's like to be joy and what it's like to, and advice for people on how to be joy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm learning from everybody who I've interviewed and have some really, really interesting people who are involved in things that are a little bit less traditional that's in the West for Peacebook.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just grateful to be in a position to be able to talk to people like you, Paul,

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[SPEAKER_02]: to spread peace and help alternative complementary health and wellness has long been my passion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a time where we were attempting to do a television network and that didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what kind of replaced that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But some day I hope to be involved in a probably streaming service where we're...

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're letting people know there's so many alternatives, and it really, there's nothing, just nothing right or wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's listen to Elba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really no limits.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, abundance of the universe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so thank you so much, Karen, it was really honored to have you here and your message is both timely and timeless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've reminded us that peace isn't just something we talk about, is something we practice, live and share with others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you'll work in your words, continue to inspire so many people to reconnect with their higher selves and with humanity at large.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you very much for being a guiding light and for joining us on wealth academy podcast today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has been an honor, my honor, to interview you and for my audience to hear your message and your transformative message and less be peace

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm grateful to you and all you do, Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and here's the call to action and I decided to share this as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If today's episode resonated with you, grab a copy of the LSD piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, why you added grab two copies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 unique paths to healing yourself and spreading peace in the world is more than a book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a roadmap to a more compassionate and connected world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can connect with Karen Lico and learn more about her work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At her website, let's be peace.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go there, provide your email, and get those tips, and that will be a starting point for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want more, you can also get that from Karen as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And go to her social media sites, which I will post in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, wealth is more than just money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about living with purpose, peace, and passion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, I'm Paul Lines van and I encourage you to leave with peace and to be the change you wish to see with the help of Karen Lee Cohen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Karen, thank you so much and it was a joy to interview you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great evening, everyone, and a great day, and I'll see you on the next episode of Well for Academy of Podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And go out there to Apple Podcasts and provide a five star review at five stars and a review for Caroling Cohen, because she has more to say, and it's gonna be all about that joy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So have a great day, and thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening to this episode with Paul and his guest.

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